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Nice piece. I think we can make some distinction between "soul" in the broad sense of "what makes you the type of being you are" vs. the more narrow sense of a kind of causal explanation for what makes you speak and act, with the latter being an idea that developed in cultures with a tradition of philosophical inquiry into the ultimate principles of the world, particularly ancient Greece and India. In that case, there is the question of whether something like the mother-soul, a shared realm of ideas and tradition, is having an immediate causal effect on me distinct from bodily structure or any personal soul I might have (something like a collective consciousness or unconscious), or whether it's important because of the way it shaped my body/mind in the past, the "fingerprints" it left on them. Imagine my body/mind in its current form transported to a parallel universe with the same laws of nature but with no other humans, cut off from all further causal influences from my home universe (including any sort of psychic influence from a human group consciousness)--would I still retain my personality, reason, creativity etc. because of those fingerprints of human society left on my present form (at least until I went crazy from the isolation), or would I instantly become a different sort of being without the ongoing influence of the rest of humanity?

BTW, it's my understanding that there is a key difference between the way Aristotle thought the mind was the form of the body and the ideas of modern scientific thinkers who see the mind as a pattern of information in the body. In terms of the distinction between "strong emergence" and "weak emergence" that philosopher David Chalmers discusses in his piece at https://consc.net/papers/emergence.pdf , the modern thinkers would usually be arguing for weak emergence where my purposeful behavior can in principle be accounted for based just on the laws of physics acting on the arrangement of particles/fields in my body and its immediate environment (Chalmers seems inclined to accept this is true about behavior, though he thinks subjective consciousness is a different matter). Aristotle seems to have argued for something more akin to strong emergence where forms like the soul can exert a top-down influence on the matter of the body which can't be accounted for in terms of the lower-level physical properties of the individual parts and the way they interact. See the discussion starting on p. 326 of https://ancphil.lsa.umich.edu/-/downloads/faculty/caston/epiphenomenalisms-ancient-modern.pdf which talks about his reasons for rejecting the ancient "harmonia" theory of the soul discussed earlier in the paper, the idea that the soul is akin to the musical properties of a lyre which are assumed to depend only on the lower level properties of its parts, like the noises made by individual tuned strings (Plato also criticized this idea in his dialogue Phaedo).

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Anna's avatar

Great. Will be a part of my memory for a long time

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